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Antwort: Re: RE: Problem with LMT and ASSM

Markus Kuehn

2006-06-27

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Salem,

no LOBS in this table, only DATE, NUMBER and VARCHAR2 columns. Other tips ?

Regards

Markus K?hn
LBS Landesbausparkasse Baden-W?rttemberg
Abteilung OI
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        "Ghassan Salem"                              
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        ail.com>                                  An
                          Markus.Kuehn@(protected)        
        27.06.2006 17:27                           Kopie
                          "Wittenmyer Joel - CO"        
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                          oracle-l@(protected)        
                                             Thema
                          Re: RE: Problem with LMT and ASSM
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 
                                                 




Markus,
if you're not in append mode, then the insert should reuse empty space,
do you have LOBS in this table?

rgds

On 6/27/06, Markus Kuehn <Markus.Kuehn@(protected):
   Hi Joel and Salem,

   no APPEND-hint in the insert statement and partitioning is not an
   option
   due to licensing costs. Any other hints ??

   Regards

   Markus K?hn
   LBS Landesbausparkasse Baden-W?rttemberg
   Abteilung OI
   Gruppe Datenbanken und Konfigurationsmanagement

   J?gerstra?e 36, 70174 Stuttgart
   Postfach 10 60 28, 70049 Stuttgart

   Siegfried-K?hn-Str. 4, 76135 Karlsruhe
   Postfach 14 60, 76003 Karlsruhe

   Telefon 07 11 / 1 83 - 2915
   Fax 07 11 / 1 83 - 492915
   E-Mail Markus.Kuehn@(protected)

   Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRA 12924
   Amtsgericht Karlsruhe HRA 4548



            Wittenmyer Joel -
            CO
            <WITTENMYERJ@(protected)
   An
            .com>               "'salem.ghassan@(protected) '"
                              <salem.ghassan@(protected)>,
            27.06.2006 16:28       Markus.Kuehn@(protected)

   Kopie
                              oracle-l@(protected)

   Thema
                              RE: Problem with LMT and ASSM










   My first thought also. And if you use 'parallel append' you can
   actually
   hear the space being chewed up J as each parallel process gets it's
   own
   extent to devour.


   From: oracle-l-bounce@(protected):
   oracle-l-bounce@(protected)]
   On Behalf Of Ghassan Salem
   Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:26 AM
   To: Markus.Kuehn@(protected)
   Cc: oracle-l@(protected)
   Subject: Re: Problem with LMT and ASSM

   Markus,
   when you INSERT, do you do it with /*+ APPEND*/? if so (it looks from
   your
   post, but just wanted to verify), then
   the space deleted will not get used, as it is below the HWM, hence
   not used
   by the insert in direct mode.
   The best way to do it, if possible, is to partition the table in a
   way that
   allows you to DROP the partitions instead of deleting the records.
   This
   will really free the space used, and hence let the INSERT /+ append*/
   reuse
   it.

   rgds
   On 6/27/06, Markus Kuehn <Markus.Kuehn@(protected):

   Hello members,

   sorry, forgot the subject.

   We have a problem with locally managed tablespaces and segment space
   management auto on 9.2.0.6 on AIX 5.2. The problem follows:

   We created a table in a tablespace with extent management local
   autoallocate and segment space management auto. Every day about
   150.000
   records are inserted into this table. Records which are older than 90
   days
   are deleted from the table. The delete-job runs at 17:00, the
   insert-job
   runs at 00:30, so that they are seperated from each other. No updates
   are
   taking place in this table. The first inserts created 64 extents
   with 128
   blocks and 1 MB each. After those extents went full, 120 extents with
   1024
   blocks and 8 MB each were created. Now, as they went full too,
   extents with
   8192 blocks and 64 MB each are created. Due to the deletes the lower
   extents from extent id 0 to extent id 90 are freed but are not
   reused.
   Instead new extents are created. This will lead to a tablespace
   covering
   all available disk-space, which is not really satisfying. An "alter
   table
   move" to a different tablespace and "alter tablespace move" to the
   original
   tablespace reduces the number of used extents. But after some time we
   run
   in the same problem again.

   Anyone out there has a solution or work-around for this type of
   situation.

   Regards
   Mit freundlichen Gr??en

   Markus K?hn
   LBS Landesbausparkasse Baden-W?rttemberg
   Abteilung OI
   Gruppe Datenbanken und Konfigurationsmanagement

   J?gerstra?e 36, 70174 Stuttgart
   Postfach 10 60 28, 70049 Stuttgart

   Siegfried-K?hn-Str. 4, 76135 Karlsruhe
   Postfach 14 60, 76003 Karlsruhe

   Telefon 07 11 / 1 83 - 2915
   Fax 07 11 / 1 83 - 492915
   E-Mail Markus.Kuehn@(protected)

   Amtsgericht Stuttgart HRA 12924
   Amtsgericht Karlsruhe HRA 4548


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