Subject: Re: Symantec Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC 2007-11-01 - By Jingmin Zhai
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Hi, Ken
Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC (SFRAC) with Global Cluster Option (GCO)
together with storage layer replication (VVR from Symantec, SRDF from
EMC...) is sure a valid Disaster Recovery (DR) solution. You can look for
details from pre-sales of Symantec.
James
On 10/30/07, ken_nguyen@(protected) <ken_nguyen@(protected)> wrote:
>
> Tim-
>
> I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, and don't really see why you
> wouldn't come right out and say it, but anyway..
>
> So, the particular solution that I'm looking at employs a Global
> Clustering Option. So, whatever happens at the primary site to cause a
> failure (earthquake, wild fire, etc..) that the company deems as an outage,
> would kick off the remote site to come online as the primary database.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------
> From: Tim Gorman <tim@(protected)>
> Would an earthquake level just part of a data center? Do wildfires only
> burn the 3rd server in a rack and not the 4th, sparing the storage in the
> next cabinet over?
>
> In what way does RAC (or any clustering solution, such as SFOR) protect
> against such threats?
>
>
>
>
> ken_nguyen@(protected) wrote:
>
> Tim,
>
> As Finn mentioned, I'm looking at this to provide HA. This is for a
> location in SoCal, so its prone to earthquakes, and most recently, wild
> fires.
>
> Ken
>
>
> -- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------
> From: "Finn Jorgensen" <finn.oracledba@(protected)><finn.oracledba@(protected)>
> Tim,
>
> RAC/SFOR/HACMP/VCS etc are for high availability. Not disaster recovery.
> As such, it's for the type of "disasters" that involve losing 1 server.
> Anything else you would need a DR setup to handle.
>
> Finn
>
>
> On 10/29/07, Tim Gorman <tim@(protected)> wrote:
> >
> > Well......out of all the possible (and probable) range of faults and
> > failures, exactly what types of "disasters" does clustering such as RAC or
> > SFOR protect against?
> >
> >
> > ken_nguyen@(protected) wrote:
> >
> > >It has to be a very selective disaster for clustering (i.e. RAC, HACMP,
> > etc) to provide much protection.
> >
> > Tim-
> >
> > Sorry, I don't understand what that means.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > -- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------
> > From: Tim Gorman <tim@(protected)> <tim@(protected)>
> > It has to be a very selective disaster for clustering (i.e. RAC, HACMP,
> > etc) to provide much protection.
> >
> >
> > ken_nguyen@(protected) wrote:
> >
> > Dan, thanks for the feedback.
> >
> > We're trying to protect more than just the Oracle DB. While CRS and
> > Dataguard work well to provide HA, it doesn't take into account the Siebel,
> > IIS, etc installs that form the entire application stack.
> >
> > With this solution, we're hoping to lower the TCO in the event of a
> > disaster.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > -- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------
> > From: Dan Norris <dannorris@(protected)> <dannorris@(protected)>
> > I have used the SFOR previously, but not on the current versions and
> > not with 10g DB. I had no problems with the SFOR software.
> >
> > If I were implementing a cluster today with 10g, I wouldn't use any
> > non-Oracle clusterware. Instead, I'd just use Oracle Clusterware as it
> > provides all the HA you'll need for the DB. Maybe you have other reasons for
> > using SFOR...I hope you do because I couldn't justify the investment given
> > the current architecture.
> >
> > Others have posted similarly on this list and in OTN forums as well.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > -- -- Original Message ----
> > From: Ken Nguyen <ken_nguyen@(protected)> <ken_nguyen@(protected)>
> > To: oracle-l@(protected)
> > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:46:05 AM
> > Subject: Symantec Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC
> >
> > We?re looking to implement Symantec Storage Foundation HA for Oracle
> > RAC to offer HA for our Oracle 10g RAC on RHEL.
> >
> >
> >
> > Oracle has fully certified most of the components within this Symantec
> > solution, except for the automatic failover piece (GCO).
> >
> > This component is certified on all platforms except for Red Hat, could
> > have something to do with Oracle?s OEL initiative.
> >
> >
> >
> > Is anyone using this or any other Symantec SF products without any
> > issues?
> >
> >
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l
>
>
> -- http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l
>
>
Hi, Ken<br><br>Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC (SFRAC) with Global Cluster
Option (GCO) together with storage layer replication (VVR from Symantec, SRDF
from EMC...) is sure a valid Disaster Recovery (DR) solution. You can
look for details from pre-sales of Symantec.
<br><br>James<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/30/07, <b class=
"gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:ken_nguyen@(protected)">ken_nguyen@(protected)
.net</a></b> <<a href="mailto:ken_nguyen@(protected)">ken_nguyen@(protected)
</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px
solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div>
<div>Tim-</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, and don't really
see why you wouldn't come right out and say it, but anyway..</div>
<div> </div>
<div>So, the particular solution that I'm looking at employs a Global
Clustering Option. So, whatever happens at the primary site to cause a
failure (earthquake, wild fire, etc..) that the company deems as an outage,
would kick off the remote site to come online as the primary database.
</div><div><span class="e" id="q_115ef18b3a182eb9_1">
<div> </div>
<div>Ken</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px;
margin-left: 5px;">-- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------ <br>From: Tim
Gorman <<a href="mailto:tim@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return top
.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
tim@(protected)</a>> <br>Would an earthquake level just part of a data center?
Do wildfires only burn the 3rd server in a rack and not the 4th, sparing
the storage in the next cabinet over?<br><br>In what way does RAC (or any
clustering solution, such as SFOR) protect against such threats?
<br><br><br><br><br><a href="mailto:ken_nguyen@(protected)" target="_blank"
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ken_nguyen@(protected)<
/a> wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Tim, </div>
<div> </div>
<div>As Finn mentioned, I'm looking at this to provide HA. This
is for a location in SoCal, so its prone to earthquakes, and most
recently, wild fires.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Ken</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px;
margin-left: 5px;">-- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------ <br>From:
"Finn Jorgensen" <a href="mailto:finn.oracledba@(protected)" target="
_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<finn.oracledba@(protected)></a> <br>
<div>Tim,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>RAC/SFOR/HACMP/VCS etc are for high availability. Not disaster recovery.
As such, it's for the type of "disasters" that involve losing 1
server. Anything else you would need a DR setup to handle.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Finn<br><br> </div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Tim
Gorman</b> <<a href="mailto:tim@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">tim@(protected)</a>> wrote:
</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204
); margin: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000">Well......out of all the possible (and
probable) range of faults and failures, exactly what types of "disasters
" does clustering such as RAC or SFOR protect against?<br><br>
<br><a href="mailto:ken_nguyen@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return top
.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">ken_nguyen@(protected)</a> wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>>It has to be a very selective disaster for clustering (i.e. RAC, HACMP
, etc) to provide much protection.<br> </div>
<div>Tim-</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sorry, I don't understand what that means.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Ken</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px;
margin-left: 5px;">-- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------ <br>From: Tim
Gorman <a href="mailto:tim@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js
.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<tim@(protected)></a> <br>It has to be a very selective disaster for
clustering (i.e. RAC, HACMP, etc) to provide much protection.<br><br><br><a
href="mailto:ken_nguyen@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js
.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
ken_nguyen@(protected)</a> wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Dan, thanks for the feedback.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>We're trying to protect more than just the Oracle DB. While CRS
and Dataguard work well to provide HA, it doesn't take into account the
Siebel, IIS, etc installs that form the entire application stack.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>With this solution, we're hoping to lower the TCO in the event of a
disaster.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Ken</div>
<div> </div>
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px;
margin-left: 5px;">-- ---- ------ Original message -- ---- ------ <br>From: Dan
Norris <a href="mailto:dannorris@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
<dannorris@(protected)></a> <br>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
">
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
">I have used the SFOR previously, but not on the current versions and not with
10g DB. I had no problems with the SFOR software.<br><br>If I were implementing
a cluster today with 10g, I wouldn't use any non-Oracle clusterware.
Instead, I'd just use Oracle Clusterware as it provides all the HA you'
;ll need for the DB. Maybe you have other reasons for using SFOR...I hope you do
because I couldn't justify the investment given the current architecture.
<br><br>Others have posted similarly on this list and in OTN forums as well.
<br><br>Dan<br><br>
<div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif;
">-- -- Original Message ----<br>From: Ken Nguyen <a href="mailto:ken_nguyen
@(protected)" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event
,this)">
<ken_nguyen@(protected)></a><br>To: <a href="mailto:oracle-l@(protected)
.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)"
>oracle-l@(protected)</a><br>Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 4:46:05 AM
<br>Subject: Symantec Storage Foundation for Oracle RAC<br><br>
<div>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;">We?re looking to implement Symantec Storage Foundation HA for Oracle RAC to
offer HA for our Oracle 10g RAC on RHEL.</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;">Oracle has fully certified most of the components within this Symantec
solution, except for the automatic failover piece (GCO).</span></font>
</p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;">This component is certified on all platforms except for Red Hat, could have
something to do with Oracle?s OEL initiative.</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;"></span></font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;">Is anyone using this or any other Symantec SF products without any issues?<
/span></font></p>
<p><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;"></span>
</font> </p>
<p><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial
;">Ken</span></font></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></blockquote><
/blockquote></blockquote></div>-- <a href="http://www.freelists.org/webpage
/oracle-l" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)
">
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l</a> </blockquote></div><br><
/blockquote></blockquote>-- <a href="http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l"
target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/oracle-l</a> </blockquote></span></div></div>
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